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Sailing Performance of the Venture Newport 23

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Actually- I'm not sure if this has been posted here yet. I had spoken to Mike Inmon a couple years ago, and he had mentioned wanting to sell his modified D to get the Newport 23. I saw a post saying he found a good one. What I want to know is: How does it sail compared to your D? Anyone else with experience feel free to chime in. Thanks!  

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I purchased a Venture Newport 23 when the first model was made back in 73. I was looking for a trailerable boat to use on a fresh water lake. The boat was drop dead gorgeous at the time with red hull, & colored jibs. I remember that it had the pop-top cabin roof, which helped a lot. Frankly I wasn't trilled with the quality of the rigging. It was like most Ventures - cheap. As far as sailing characteristics the boat was very tender in moderate winds and almost unsailable in strong winds. It had a terrible weather helm requiring the rudder to be positioned so far to the opposite position that it created terrible drag and slowed the boat. Venture also used oak instead of teak for the bowsprit and the railing around the cockpit. You cannot keep varnish on oak in an outside environment. Once again this was Venture's cheap way of building a boat. I was so disappointed in the Newport that I only kept it a couple years and sold it. If you're looking for a nice day-sailor and can pick one up for a good price it's still a good looking boat. But, I'd look for something with a better reputation and better built.  

Here's an interesting web site for the Newport 23. Lots of information and some pictures. As much as I disliked my Newport 23, I still have a warm spot for the boat because it was so good looking. If Venture had just included a little more quality in the construction and rigging they would have hit a home-run with this boat. http://trusting-1.com/  

Interesting post. I once saw an article on the Newport 23 with a picture of the boat under sail in what appeared to be fairly calm conditions. I couldn't understand why the boat was heeling so much with the helm hard over.  

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"As far as sailing characteristics the boat was very tender in moderate winds and almost unsailable in strong winds. It had a terrible weather helm requiring the rudder to be positioned so far to the opposite position that it created terrible drag and slowed the boat." Sounds like excessive mast rake to me. As far as I know no mac has been demasted because of light rigging, I guess if you were to carry way to much sail for the conditions the rig might be to light.  

In the factory brochure pictures, the mast appears to have a pretty substantial rake by design  

More mast rake = more weather helm. or maybe just the way the sails were trimed or maybe the keel was not in the proper position I have not heard or read of that problem. To have to steer the boat hard over just to keep it from rounding up means a boat way out of trim.  

"Weather Helm" is an interesting phenomena on a sailboat. I cannot disagree with anything posted. Reducing the rake, or angling the top of the mast more forward, has to reduce weather helm. Proper trimming in stronger wind such as spilling air from the main will also reduce weather helm. But, I believe there are factors other than rake of the mast or trim. Boat design or improper boat design can cause an excessive weather helm and there's little that can be done to completely reduce it. Shape (or lack of shape) and location of the keel are also important factors. I currently own a Seafarer 29' with a swing keel. Of all the boats I've owned this S29 has the most balanced helm I've experienced. I've sailed it with main alone, and with a 150% genoa alone, and there is little difference in respect to the helm. Contrary to this example, there is a Cal 34' on my dock and the owner is complaining of a terrible weather helm. His mast doesn't appear to be raked too much, but we have discussed adjusting it too see if it will make a difference. It would help if he had a backstay adjuster. So far the only thing that has noticeably helped if he spills air from his main until the helm is balanced. Unfortunately, this is probably costing him some SOG. Here's a quote from a post on Wikipedia about weather helm, " the root cause of the phenomenon is the relationship between the center of the force exerted by the sail plan, and the center of the resistance to that force by the hull, and not the angle of heel of the hull." We assume that all boats and designed and tested by competent naval architects, but in Venture/Macgregor's situation back in the 70s who knows? What if cabin comfort is slightly sacrificed by locating the swing keel a few inches forward of it's best position for balance? Here's links to a few good discussions and posts on this subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_helm http://www.endeavourowners.com/dscsn/handling/wthrhlm.html A comment on this post supports my position that a serious weather helm is most likely a result of the boat's design. Post from May 12, 1999, " I spoke with Rob at the Endeavour factory (he was there when they still built production boats) and he said even if you take all the rake out of the mast you can not tune out weatherhelm. He said people have had great success putting on a bowsprit and moving the headsail forward a couple of feet." This is a great article on SailNet about "balance" in general. http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seamanship-articles/19146-balance-hull-sails.html  

from your source Mitigation Any action that reduces the angle of heel of a boat that is reaching or beating to windward will help reduce excessing weather helm. Racing sailors routinely try to use bodyweight or other moveable ballast to bring the boat to a more upright position. Reducing or reefing the total sail area will have the same effect and, counter-intuitively, many boats will sail faster with less sail in a stiff breeze once heel and weather helm have been reduced, due to the reduction in underwater drag (see Over-canvassed sailing ). Easing the sheets on aft-most sails, such as the mainsail in a sloop or cutter can have an immediate effect, especially to help with manoeuvering. Moving or increasing sail area forward can also help, for example by raising the jib (and maybe lowering the staysail ) on a cutter. Sailing off the wind, weather helm may be caused by the imbalance due to fore-and-aft sails all being sheeted out on the same (leeward) side of the boat. Raising a spinnaker or poling out a headsail to windward with a whisker pole can help. Yachts making ocean trade wind crossings have rigged 'twins' - double headsails poled out to opposite sides from the same forestay for extended downwind passages without a mainsail. [2] Square rigged sails also provide relatively symmetric drive off the wind. This seems better than a boat design error that no one seems to know anything about.  

My O-Day 22(1980) had pronounced weather helm when heeled. It took two hands on the tiller to keep the boat on course. Adjusting the centerboard did help, but when I installed a new rudder from IdaSailor it was a major change. Now the helm is very light with only slight weather helm regardless of the angle of heel. No other change to the mast or rigging was made. I had the same experience with my O'Day Mariner when I replaced the rudder.  

When I bought my V-23, I had extreme weather helm. I thought the boat was the worst sailing boat that I had ever owned... but beautiful. I wrote to MacGregor and discovered that I had the keel in the wrong position. It should not hang straight down but should be angled back toward the stern. MacGregor gave me correct angle... there is a bolt hole in the hull and the keel (in my boat) that when a bolt is inserted holds the keel in the right position. That reposition solved the weather helm problem completely. Also, I do not use the small head sail (Yankee Jib) unless the wind is very light... the boat does not handle well other wise. Another big improvement in handling that I made was replacing the rudder with an IdaSailor rudder. The boat is a bit tippy in heavy wind but I have two solutions for that: a heavy crew or back-winding the main with the jib.  

"The boat is a bit tippy in heavy wind but I have two solutions for that: a heavy crew or back-winding the main with the jib." What does that mean? I thought back-winding like a jib during tacking was where you hold the sail on the windward side of the boat. ( I do it on my Hobie cat to help blow the bow through tacks) I don't understand how holding the main to the windward side of the boat could help with anything, much less reduce heeling. Jim  

You backwind the main when you cause the air flow from the jib to actually push a dent in the main's airfoil instead of flowing over it and producing lift.  

Weather Helm & Back-Winding Ntnrobin, thanks for confirming that I wasn't the only V-23 owner with severe weather helm. I completely agree with your analogy, "unless the wind is very light... the boat does not handle well other wise." Granted, it's been a long time since I owned the Newport, but I had the same opinion of the boat as you, beautiful but not so good a sailing boat. I do remember the keel alignment bolt. I sailed my Newport in a large man-made fresh water lake. The only deep parts of the lake are the runs of the old rivers. Otherwise the lake is relatively shallow. If I ran aground with the keel bolt inserted it was almost impossible to remove. If I sailed with tension on the keel cable it sung like an out of tune violin, so I generally sailed with the keel all the way down. Your explanation from Venture HQ about the keel angle causing weather helm matches other information I've read about potential causes of weather helm. Your terminology about back-winding the main is new to me but makes sense. With a weather helm you need to shift power or force ahead of the mast and reduce it to the rear of the mast. Seems like the easiest way to do this is just to set the main sheet traveler to the lee side or to spill air by letting out the main sheet. How do you set the head sail to back-wind the main?  

Freedom77

The Venture of Newport was a copy of a Pilot Boat from the late 1800's. Roger Macgreor stayed true to the design as much as possible with the exception of the swing keel. These boat were made to get out to incoming vessels quickly because whoever boarded first got the pilot fee into the harbor. Cute boat but very tender and not very roomy. Fair Winds and full Sails...  

onyx_ranger

My Venture Newport Has a very neutral helm with full main and both jibs flying. I've never had the lock down bolt in the keel, I let the keel rest on this bolt. It does have too much weather helm on full main and staysail without the forward jib. I run everything up to 12 knots, put in the 1st reef point in the main at around 15. At 20 I then drop the forward jib. If the wind continues to 25 I luff the main a bit. The helm stays very neutral, the boat stiffens up quite a bit as it heels. The bowsprit and cockpit railings are mahogany from the factory on my boat. The mast does have a substantial rake to it, around 32 inches.  

Freedom77 said: The Venture of Newport was a copy of a Pilot Boat from the late 1800's. ... Click to expand
onyx_ranger said: My Venture Newport Has a very neutral helm with full main and both jibs flying. I've never had the lock down bolt in the keel, I let the keel rest on this bolt. It does have too much weather helm on full main and staysail without the forward jib. I run everything up to 12 knots, put in the 1st reef point in the main at around 15. At 20 I then drop the forward jib. If the wind continues to 25 I luff the main a bit. The helm stays very neutral, the boat stiffens up quite a bit as it heels. The bowsprit and cockpit railings are mahogany from the factory on my boat. The mast does have a substantial rake to it, around 32 inches. Click to expand
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Hello, Could you give me your opinion on what I should pay for this boat? Below is the link. We stopped by and took a look at it. The trailer was just painted but a bit rusty. Its a bit warn as well overall but we don't have much money and are wanting to get on the water after 12 yrs of dreaming. Thank you for your help. Also, any thoughts on this models quality? MacGregor Venture 23  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

They should give it to you. And you should refuse.  

I kind of have to agree... there are a number of boats of this vintage that were both better built and designed. Find a Cal 20 or 25, a Santana 22, a Ranger 23, an older J-22, etc... You might find a Tanzer 22 which will be a better boat. Sometimes cheap is just cheap. It looks like a nice trailerable idea, but it's not going to impress you at all with it's sailing performance performance.  

Hahaha. Can you elaborate?  

The Venture's on the very bottom of quality. There has been much discussion on this site and elsewhere with regard to the merits of sailing a poorly built boat. There's no definite answer as to whether you should do it. I've owned my share of older fiberglass boats. They all need work...repair and upkeep. I'd much rather spend my time working on a boat that was built properly instead of one that was built to be the cheapest possible. I guess it comes down to my taking sailing very seriously...the manufacturer ought to be as serious about building. Venture wasn't.  

Thank you Siamese that was really helpful.  

I am new to the site and sailing so I am just starting to learn. My first question as an inexperienced sailor looking at the pictures of the boat would be, how much would it cost to dispose of it? To my eye the motor might be of value but the rest looks fairly bad. Some amount (a lot?) of work would be involved before you could sail it. Not a problem if you can and want to do the work, but it doesn't look in shape to sail this weekend if that is your goal. I have to agree with Siamese, unless its free I would pass, and if free my inexperienced self would want it surveyed. The cost of a survey may be less than the cost of disposal. It will be interesting what other on this site with experience have to say.  

SJ34 said: It would make 10-11knots on a broad reach with 10knots of wind Click to expand...

Ventures are VERY TENDER! You will scare your family and guests and find yourself sailing solo or not sailing at all  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

u's guys, really keep us MacGregor owners laughing:laugher  

Personally I don't have an issue with any boat maker. If a particular boat gets you on the water, you enjoy sailing it, it suits your venue and goals, etc... that's pretty much what it's all about.  

Thank you all for the feedback. I have thus expanded my search and found some other makes and models that might have better reputations. They include the 23 Kells, 22 tanzer, 22 Oday and 22 Catalina. The links are below if you want to take a look and let me know your thoughts. Thanks again. For Sale 23' Kels Sailboat Sailboat O-Day 22 Catalina 22 Sailboat. Complete. 1972 Tanzer 22 sailboat for sale in New York  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

I would say the biggest issue is the trailer rust looks a bit beyond a coat of paint The cracked hull areas in one picture are of concern as to how much of the boat is affected by this In looking at the other boats i can see your trying to start of with a low cost boat BUT you have to keep in mind that "The cost of the Repiar has nothing to do with the cost of the boat " While your labor can resolve a lot of things parts still cost money  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

I have a Venture 21, is it the best boat out there? absolutely not. I bought it on the cheap, but the boat was sailing, and sound. All I needed to do (personal choice really) was throw a coat of paint on it, and freshen up the bright-work. Now i am not a trailer sailor, I keep it in the water on a lake. I am an inexperienced sailor, so this is my starter boat. If I had a choice, I think I would have bought a slightly bigger boat instead, maybe something with a larger cabin and head. Truth is I am mostly single handing the boat, with only my puppy for company because of the boat's size. I can honestly tell you from my experience limited as it is, that you really need to look at the space on deck if this will be for a family. I can fit 4 people, but it is uncomfortable for long periods. A 23' in a bit larger, but just keep in mind that no one wants to be in the cabin...lol I hope that helps you a bit. The people on here are really helpful, and there is a thread where people are volunteering their time to actually help buyers check out prospective boats. I am looking for a new boat as well, I want to move to sailing the Hudson river next. I have been looking here Sailboat Listings - sailboats for sale there is a few boats on there in your price range. here is one... 1979 ODAY sailboat for sale in Rhode Island good luck ~BONES~  

Thanks for the advice.  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

A Newport 23 (aka Venture 23, aka Venture of Newport 23, aka Mcgregor Venture 23, aka... you get the idea) isn't a bad little boat. A cutter rig, decent accomodation, low cost. Tender? I dunno. A member here, Heinzir, has had some real adventures in his, and would probably be happy to give you some first hand info. Send him a pm. Slideshow of pictures, photos, and videos, from webshots Regarding the boat in your link, what is the asking price?  

So just to be clear the most of you feel the MacGregor is a bottom of the line, poorly made/rigged boat? Is it like the ford of boats (though I know this has changed a bit over the years)?  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

MacGregor = Hobby Starter kit OK, lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. In the 23'-27' range most of the sailboats are fairly similar in construction and rigging (with a few exceptions of course), they are basically entry level pocket cruisers, and are built to be affordable to the first time buyer. MacGregor just happens to have cornered the market in this niche, so there is no shortage of them. If you check the factory site you will see they are contructed cookie cutter production line style. This cuts back on manufacturing costs and makes the boat affordable. They are not intended for heavy bluewater use but rather inland lake or protected coastal waters. The light construction and cookie cutter fabrication earns them a bad rep but never the less they are popular and get folks out there on the water for their first time. I bought a 2003 26M MacGregor brand spanking new in 2003 but I have had to spend almost the boats original value to finish building my hobby starter kit boat and add all the extra finishing touches, like electronics and extra rigging and sails and everything else you can think of. Still the boat gets me all over the Puget Sound, San Juans & Gulf Islands and the Georgia Strait, so it is sturdy enough for my venue. It may not be blue water but the Georgia Strait can get pretty snotty & ugly when Mother Nature throws a tantrum. MacGregors are what they are but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are bottom of the barrel because they sell every boat that is manufactured and they build two or more per day, people are buying them.  

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

$200 I came up with that because the engine is probably worth $700, and it'll cost you $500 to dispose of the hull  

Luvoceanlife, how is the search for a sailboat going?  

Thank you for asking. Its going pretty well. So far I'm figuring out what I don't want to buy. Also, a spouse of one of my coworkers has been mentoring me and provides sound advice. Thus far I've been considering hte Mac 25, 26S ansd 26D. Not sure how I feel about the water ballast so I'm still thinking on it. Also was considering the Cat22, Hunter 23 and Oday 222. I will first need to save more money for the right boat. That has been one of my first lesson. The other thing I am going to stick with is the year the boat was built. I think I'd like to go 1985 to the present for what I'm looking for. So that is where I am. Have you been able to get out much yet?  

I have friends who have the 25 and 26. The 26 has pretty decent performance and is very roomy but I just can't get my head around intentionally flooding a boat. The 25 is also a decent boat but the keel needs work. My 24 had a swing keel that was an excellent starting point for the mods I made. It was encapsulated iron (not so great) but had a nice bulb'ish shape to start with. The 25 has a pretty cobby hunk of iron. It can be modified if you're handy with epoxy. We were able to sail to Scorpion Cove at Santa Cruz Island for the Memorial Day Holiday. The bottom there is very soft sand and we made three attempts to set a hook. The wind shifted 180 degrees 4 times on Sunday and wrapped the chain around the anchore in a pretty nice snarl. I reset that evening with bow and stern anchors for a solid set the rest of the weekend. Weather was mid 70's all weekend with enough breeze to keep the brine flies away. Had a little drama sunday when a small powerboat drifted into us while I was cooking dinner below. He was dragging an 8lbs fishermans anchor and a 5gal. bucket of cement on about 20' of rode in 20' of water. He was drifting out to sea when his anchor snagged our rode and used it as a zip line to our bow. There was nobody on board the powerboat so I had to go ashore and find the owners. They were camping .5 mile inland, completely oblivious. Their neighbors knew who I was looking for because they had been having trouble anchoring all day. Their Sevylore pool floaty was flat so they commandeered an unattended kayake to get to the boat. The next morning they were tied up to the Park Service buoy.  

Well now, just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not lurking. :laugh  

Glad to see you still here.  

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The MacGregor 26S MacGregor 26 Swing Keel Sailboat 1994 with Trailer in Excellent Condition ready to Sail! This is a 1994 MacGregor 26S Sailboat with trailer and 8 hp outboard motor in excellent condition. It accepts a 2 inch ball mount trailer hitch. The total trailer weight is about 2000 lbs, so pretty much any V-6 vehicle can tow this without any extra equipment. Any Minivan for example will work fine. It includes everything needed to sail. Three sails including a main, a roller furling Genoa and a drifter / spinnaker are included . This sailboat is wheel steered with binnacle mounted motor remote controls and instruments. Everything is in excellent condition and the trailer tires are brand new Goodyear Marathon trailer tires. It also has an extra motor mount for a trolling motor or small outboard secondary engine. This boat has many upgrades including wheel steering and a Rudder Craft Mac 26S HDPE High Performance Replacement Rudder as well as the stock rudder as a spare, a MMSD pump out porta toilet, a CDI roller furling Genoa and a main sail cover as well as life lines and bow and stern pulpits, a swim ladder, a solar panel and an Autohelm ST 30 Bidata to name a few. The 8 HP Tohatsu (Nissan) outboard model M8B also has electric start and an alternator. The MacGregor 26S, 1990 to 1995, replaced the dagger board with a swing centerboard (which kicks up in an accidental grounding) and made other smaller changes. Together, the 26D and 26S are often called the "classic" MacGregor 26, and sometimes the 26C. Owners of these earlier models tend to refer to them as "the real sailboats" prior to the changes coming with the MacGregor 26X. The V-berth can handle 2 people/kids and has storage underneath, the settee can accommodate another person and plenty more storage under there, in the cabin galley /kitchen area is a sink and a mirrored bulkhead with plenty of storage under the sink. Behind the ladder going into the cockpit is a queen sized, super comfortable bed which is also located right below the cockpit. This boat has a POP-UP roof over the galley area that rotates up and out of the way while boat is at anchor / berth which gives unlimited head room in the cabin. This vessel includes all tools and supplies needed for maintenance and use like a nice Windex for mast top mounting. a manual bilge pump, an anchor with rode, a new gallon of bottom paint, a new fuel tank with hose, a remote controlled stereo, cockpit cushions, a wind scoop etc. I am the third owner of this nice Mac and all paperwork including the Wisconsin Title and the original purchase contract when new are included as well as a IL trailer title from the previous owner. (Note, a few pictures are from the previous owner in IL and we do not have trailer titles in WI.) It is located in Door County, WI in the city of Egg Harbor, WI north of Green Bay at my summer cottage while I live in Milwaukee, WI. If you have any questions please do ask as all inquiries will be responded to. Thanks for your interest. Hull Type: Centerboard (Trunk) Rig Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 25.82' / 7.87m LWL: 23.50' / 7.16m Beam: 7.82' / 2.38m Listed SA: 235 ft2 / 21.83 m2 Draft (max.) 6.33' / 1.93m Draft (min.) 1.25' / 0.38m Disp. 2850 lbs./ 1293 kgs. Ballast: 1200 lbs. / 544 kgs. SA/Disp.: 18.75 Bal./Disp.: 42.07% Disp./Len.: 98.04 Designer: Roger Macgregor Builder: Macgregor Yacht Corp. (USA) Construct.: FG Bal. type: Water First Built: 1990 Last Built: 1995 # Built: RIG DIMENSIONS KEY I: 22.00' / 6.71m J: 9.67' / 2.95m P: 25.17' / 7.67m E: 10.25' / 3.12m PY: EY: SPL: ISP: SA(Fore.): 106.37 ft2 / 9.88 m2 SA(Main): 129.00 ft2 / 11.98 m2 Total(calc.)SA: 235.37 ft2 / 21.87 m2 DL ratio: 98.04 SA/Disp: 18.78 Est. Forestay Len.: 24.03' / 7.32m Mast Height from DWL: 32.25' / 9.83m BUILDERS (past & present) More about & boats built by: Macgregor Yacht Corp DESIGNER More about & boats designed by: Roger MacGregor NOTES Dry boat weight: 1650 lbs. Centerboard weight: 50 lbs. An earlier model, called the MACGREGOR 26 D was similar but with a (vertically) lifting keel. (also with water ballast = reduced weight for trailering. Not to be adjusted while sailing). Spinnaker area: 360 sq. ft. Click Here for the Owner's Manual Click Here for Information on a Modified Macgregor 26S Click Here for More Pictures of this Vessel Happy Owner's Review: My Experience with the MacGregor 26S ("Classic") "Having owned and sailed extensively a 26S for three years, I can report that indeed it does actually sail fairly well and lives up to its reputation of being a roomy and easily trailered pocket cruiser. At the time it was the only sailboat that met my budgetary needs, had room enough for my family of three to cruise for up to a week at a time, and trailered well to let us explore waters from Maine to Key West. Yes, it's a light boat, but I had a lot of sailing experience and was cautious and never had trouble in winds to 30 knots - and I didn't try anything foolish like taking it offshore. Yes, the fiberglass was thin, but I avoided running into rocks. I took my 3-year-old out on solo daysails and have no regrets. I sold it to a family of four, their first boat, and heard from them a few years later that they'd thoroughly enjoyed tons of sailing. Thousands of other MacGregor owners have had similar experiences."

Clipper Marine 23 Poptop sailboat & trailer

Clipper Marine 23 Poptop sailboat & trailer

Spanaway, Washington

1977 Clipper Marine 23 Poptop sailboat & trailer Photos Has new winch and swing keel cable. 4 Teak handrails just redone. galvanized trailer. Has Main, Jib, Genoa, and staysail, and in good shape except for a few stains. Auxillary motor mount will hold 9.9 outboard Also available are Tohatsu 6hp or Mariner 15 hp motors and Northwest 21 O'Day 22 MacGregor 25 For additional information, reply to this ad or see: http://www.vflyer.com/home/crlk?id=293869026&ps=16 vFlyer ID: 293869026

91 MacGregor 26S 26' Sailboat With Trailer/ Sails/ Rigging, swing keel sail boat

91 MacGregor 26S 26' Sailboat With Trailer/ Sails/ Rigging, swing keel sail boat

Minneapolis, Minnesota

Category Cruiser Motorcycles

Length 25.82' / 7.87m

'91 MacGregor in good condition, comes with trailer, sails (includes roller furling), all rigging and Some extra boxes of parts. No motor included. Excellent boat to learn how to sail, will accommodate a 9.8 / 9.9 hp outboard motor, no mount needed (there is a motor well designed for it). This boat has a swing keel and water ballast system that allows for easy towing and beaching the boat in shallow water. Overall solid and good condition (no soft spots). Trailer included. Buyer is responsible for pickup or transit, the boat is at our warehouse location in NE Minneapolis. Please feel free to ask any questions.. Thanks! WE DO NOT FINANCE! MACGREGOR 26S Hull Type: Centerboard (Trunk) Rig Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 25.82' / 7.87m LWL: 23.50' / 7.16m Beam: 7.82' / 2.38m Listed SA: 235 ft2 / 21.83 m2 Draft (max.) 6.33' / 1.93m Draft (min.) 1.25' / 0.38m Disp. 2850 lbs./ 1293 kgs. Ballast: 1200 lbs. / 544 kgs. SA/Disp.: 18.75 Bal./Disp.: 42.07% Disp./Len.: 98.04 Designer: Roger Macgregor Builder: Macgregor Yacht Corp. (USA) Construct.: FG Bal. type: Water First Built: 1990 Last Built: 1995 # Built: RIG DIMENSIONS KEY I: 22.00' / 6.71m J: 9.67' / 2.95m P: 25.17' / 7.67m E: 10.25' / 3.12m PY: EY: SPL: ISP: SA(Fore.): 106.37 ft2 / 9.88 m2 SA(Main): 129.00 ft2 / 11.98 m2 Total(calc.)SA: 235.37 ft2 / 21.87 m2 DL ratio: 98.04 SA/Disp: 18.78 Est. Forestay Len.: 24.03' / 7.32m Mast Height from DWL: 32.25' / 9.83m BUILDERS (past & present) More about & boats built by: Macgregor Yacht Corp DESIGNER More about & boats designed by: Roger MacGregor NOTES Dry boat weight: 1650 lbs. Centerboard weight: 50 lbs. An earlier model, called the MACGREGOR 26 D was similar but with a (vertically) lifting keel. (also with water ballast = reduced weight for trailering. Not to be adjusted while sailing). Spinnaker area: 360 sq. ft.

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Macgregor 25

The macgregor 25 is a 24.92ft fractional sloop designed by roger macgregor and built in fiberglass by macgregor yacht corp between 1973 and 1987., 7000 units have been built..

The Macgregor 25 is an ultralight sailboat which is a very high performer. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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Model Macgregor 25
Length 24.92 ft
Beam 7.92 ft
Draft 1.83 ft
Country United states (North America)
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Sail area / displ. 24.45
Ballast / displ. 29.76 %
Displ. / length 77.05
Comfort ratio 8.74
Capsize 2.48
Hull type Monohull keel with centerboard
Construction Fiberglass
Waterline length 23 ft
Maximum draft 5.67 ft
Displacement 2100 lbs
Ballast 625 lbs
Hull speed 6.43 knots

1980 macgregor 23 sailboat

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Rigging Fractional Sloop
Sail area (100%) 250 sq.ft
Air draft 0 ft ??
Sail area fore 121.88 sq.ft
Sail area main 128.63 sq.ft
I 25 ft
J 9.75 ft
P 24.50 ft
E 10.50 ft
Nb engines 1
Total power 0 HP
Fuel capacity 0 gals

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Water capacity 0 gals
Headroom 0 ft
Nb of cabins 0
Nb of berths 0
Nb heads 0

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Builder Macgregor Yacht Corp
Designer Roger MacGregor
First built 1973
Last built 1987
Number built 7000

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  6. MACGREGOR 25

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  7. MacGregor 25

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  13. Macgregor 25

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    The MacGregor 26S MacGregor 26 Swing Keel Sailboat 1994 with Trailer in Excellent Condition ready to Sail! This is a 1994 MacGregor 26S Sailboat with trailer and 8 hp outboard motor in excellent condition. It accepts a 2 inch ball mount trailer hitch. The total trailer weight is about 2000 lbs, so pretty much any V-6 vehicle can tow this ...

  17. Macgregor 25

    The Macgregor 25 is a 24.92ft fractional sloop designed by Roger MacGregor and built in fiberglass by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1973 and 1987. 7000 units have been built. The Macgregor 25 is an ultralight sailboat which is a very high performer. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited ...

  18. MACGREGOR 22

    7.33 ft / 2.23 m: Displacement: 1,800.00 lb / 816 kg ... 1967: Last Built: 1975: Builder: Macgregor Yacht Corp. (USA) Designer: Roger Macgregor: KLSC Leaderboard. Sailboat Calculations Definitions ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the ...

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  20. Macgregor Yacht Corp

    MacGregor Yacht Co. was founded by Roger MacGregor in 1961 as part of class project while he was an MBA student at the University of California. Located in southern California. The first boat was a small catamaran, but the product line consisted mainly of small, trailerable sailing yachts, from a 15-foot (4.6 m) catamaran to 17-foot (5.2 m) pocket cruisers, up to 26-foot water ballasted ...

  21. MACGREGOR 21

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