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Assessment of Venture 23

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apc1589 wrote: ↑ Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Background information: I have obtained a "free to a good home" Venture 23. I'm excited about the boat, but I'm also trying to take a realistic/practical approach to getting it back in the water. I'm trying to start by deciding if the boat is worth working on, or if it should be passed on to someone else (or the landfill). My general philosophy/goal for this boat is to do the minimum repairs required to get it in the water as soon as possible. I'd like to start with a basic sailing hull. I'd take it out a few times and then work on the boat some more if we really enjoy the boat. Something like a handheld radio, some barrels or inflatable air bags in the cabin for emergency flotation if required, a manual bilge pump, and get the boat in the water. I'm a novice at this. I've sailed small open dinghies a fair bit, but nothing with a cabin. I may use it for weekend trips at some point, but I'm not starting with that goal. I don't know what year the boat is from. I've crawled through the boat but haven't found any origin info. The boat is on a trailer, and I have a pond at home where I can float the boat for testing. The boat has been in the water and is water-tight, at least from below. Rainwater gets in, but in manageable quantities. Specific requests: I'm looking for advice concerning key things to test/inspect on a Venture 23 (or general swing-keel Macgregor). The following is a list of some of the items I'm currently thinking about, but I'd also like to hear about items you think I'm missing and should look into. Swing Keel The keel winch was shot, so I haven't swung the keel yet. I have replaced the keel winch. I will launch the boat again and see how the keel moves. Is there anything in particular I should check regarding the keel? My current plan is to lower the keel to feel how it moves and then attempt to figure out how the locking pin installs. Assuming the keel swings smoothly, is there anything else I should be inspecting? I don't have any reason to suspect the attachment point between the lifting cable and keel is failing, but I haven't inspected it. Structural Concerns There are currently no bulkheads in the boat. My (limited) impression from looking at the boat is that the original wooden bulkheads aren't structurally required, but there should be a post under the mast step to transfer the load through the cabin space down to the keel trunk. Is that accurate? I could cut new plywood bulkheads if required. Does anyone know of a diagram for how the mast support was designed? I can cut a wooden post, but I'm curious about connections at each end. I've looked at and grabbed the chainplates with pliers and they seem fine, but that's the extent of my inspection there so far. Is snugging up the chainplate nuts and then standing the mast (after dealing with the vertical load support under the mast step) a good approach to testing? Lead Paint This isn't a "minimum repair to get the boat in the water", but rather something that I'm thinking about when assessing whether the boat is worth working on. There's flaking lead paint throughout the cabin, and I have toddlers I'd like to enjoy the boat with. If making the boat safe for them requires extensive work, maybe this isn't the boat for us. After the core structural repairs and first test sails, I'm thinking about pressure washing the interior to remove some of the old paint, then repainting to encapsulate the remaining lead paint. Does anyone have advice for dealing with lead paint exposure? Missing Bowsprit The bowsprit is missing. Does anyone have a diagram for dimensions and connection details for this? Would sailing without the bowsprit be a good starting point? I have a decent wood shop and supplies here, I could cut and bolt on an oak member reasonably easily. Thanks a lot for taking the time to read the post, and an additional thanks if you have some expertise to share. I can provide specific photos of details if helpful.

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VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 Detailed Review

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If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23. Built by Macgregor Yacht Corp and designed by Roger MacGregor, the boat was first built in 1973. It has a hull type of Swing Keel and LOA is 6.88. Its sail area/displacement ratio 19.70. Its auxiliary power tank, manufactured by undefined, runs on undefined.

VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 has retained its value as a result of superior building, a solid reputation, and a devoted owner base. Read on to find out more about VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 and decide if it is a fit for your boating needs.

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Boat specifications, sail boat calculation, rig and sail specs, contributions, who designed the venture of newport 23.

VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 was designed by Roger MacGregor.

Who builds VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23?

VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 is built by Macgregor Yacht Corp.

When was VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 first built?

VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 was first built in 1973.

How long is VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23?

VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 is 5.94 m in length.

What is mast height on VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23?

VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 has a mast height of 7.77 m.

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The venture of newport 23 is a 22.58ft cutter designed by roger macgregor and built in fiberglass by macgregor yacht corp between 1973 and 1984..

The Venture of newport 23 is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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1981 MacGregor Venture of Newport 23' Sailboat Restoration

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Re: 1981 MacGregor Venture of Newport 23' Sailboat Restoration I agree, she does have nice lines. And with your new paint job she looks beautiful. So, that was a brush paint job? You weren't rolling, then tipping? Also, what paint/thinner did you use? Regarding the bowsprit, you might chat with some builders to make sure a pine/maple combo would be up to the job (strength wise) on the bowsprit. I know maple is strong but it never hurts to check. (thinking oak) New sails are a score for sure.  

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Re: 1981 MacGregor Venture of Newport 23' Sailboat Restoration Hey ping - that blue looks good, a lot better than the "Woodstock" yellow. And that is a fine looking boat too!  

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Hi, where'd you find the fabric surround for the pop top?  

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Venture Newport 23

This site is dedicated to perhaps one of the most unique trailerable sailboats ever built. The Venture Newport 23 is a swing-keel cutter made by MacGregor from 1973 to 1984. With its raked mast, signature taffrail, bowsprit and classic lines, this versatile and practical boat evokes the nostalgia of sailing vessels from a century ago. Yet with a sturdy fiberglass hull and fully retractible iron swing keel this vessel is easy to maintain and at home on a trailer, beached in a quiet cove, or plying the inland and coastal waterways.

This site is intended to be a resource for the ‘classic plastic’ enthusiasts to share restoration tips and accomplishments, modifications, maintenance and repair tips and to collectively gather, preserve and promote information about this fantastc little boat.

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Two boaters died last week in a boating accident involving some promising young students in Newport News, Virginia. It is a sad story about a sailboat accident that didn’t have to happen. Apart from the obvious problems with a night-time adventure (likely involving alcohol) with 10 people on a 22-foot sailboat, a couple of details caught my attention. The boat has been identified as a 22-foot Venture and from the pictures, it does look like an older MacGregor Venture 22 model. We recently reviewed a similar boat the Venture 21 , and found it to be an affordable entry-level trailer sailer, provided it has been upgraded and well-cared for.

The two items that struck me:

1. Judging from the Coast Guard photos taken as the boat was being hauled out of the water at Brown’s Marina, I could see no evidence of the centerboard. We recently reviewed a Venture 21 and centerboard issues are common on these boats, although having the centerboard fall off completely is rare. We’ve had only one reader report such an incident (on another boat) in the past 5 years. Interestingly, his fell off at the dock and he suspected something was amiss when the boat heeled sharply when he stepped aboard (something that a tipsy person might easily miss). Perhaps the keel on this boat was removed. If so, then the lapse of judgement among those who decided to go for a “sail” was complete.

Regardless of whether the centerboard was lost or removed, we’ve looked at enough of these late model centerboard boats to remind owners to take a very close look at the centerboard lifting and support system–typically a hinge pin. Centerboard problems are not reserved simply to MacGregors. Our own Catalina 22 had to have the hinge-pin assembly replaced.

2. The second item that caught my eye was post-mortem emphasis on personal flotation gear, as reported by the Chicago Tribune. Indeed, had everyone been wearing lifejackets, the results might have been different. However, I hope that accidents such as this are not taken out of context and used as evidence in a renewed push for a federal law to make wearing personal flotation devices (PFD) mandatory for people on boats of this size. A proposal for this sort of legislation was beaten back a while ago, but the notion of a federal mandate has some influential supporters. Accidents such as this certainly don’t help.

Are you prepared for capsize, collision, or a man overboard event? Practical Sailor has produced two a comprehensive ebooks that take a deep dive into related safety topics: Survival at Sea and Man Overboard Prevention and Recovery . We also have several reports on keel maintenance, inspection, and failures such as this that sadly led to fatalities.

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Owner's Review of the MacGregor 26 Sailboat Models

There is some confusion about all of the different MacGregor 26 models and some controversy about their sailing abilities.

The MacGregor 26 evolved after the Venture 22 and the MacGregor 25, which had been built from 1973 to about 1987. The M25 had a weighted centerboard keel like other trailer able sailboats but featured positive flotation, a low price, easy trailer ability and a comfortable interior with an enclosed head (porta-potty). These features carried forward into M26 models and helped make MacGregor one of the bestselling sailboats.

Differences in MacGregor 26 Models

  • The MacGregor 26D (daggerboard), built from about 1986 to 1990, introduced water ballast to replace the weighted keel. When the water was drained for trailering, the boat weighed only 1650 lbs, making it even more attractive for towing with a regular automobile. The daggerboard, like a keel, helps prevent the boat from being blown sideways but could be lifted up for shoal water and trailering.
  • The MacGregor 26S , 1990 to 1995, replaced the daggerboard with a swing centerboard (which kicks up in an accidental grounding) and made other smaller changes. Together, the 26D and 26S are often called the "classic" MacGregor 26, and sometimes the 26C. Owners of these earlier models tend to refer to them as "the real sailboats" prior to the changes coming with the MacGregor 26X.
  • The MacGregor 26X , 1996 to 2004, marked a major change from the earlier "classic" M26 models by allowing a relatively huge outboard engine that essentially turned the 26X into a powerboat with a mast. Earlier models typically carried outboards as low as 5 or 6 HP (max. 10 HP), but the 26X now took up to 50 HP. For comparison, many thirty-six foot sailboats of this era, displacing more than five times the M's weight, had inboard engines of 25-30 HP. The water ballast could be drained of power, allowing the M26X to come up on a plane like a speedboat. The outboard well had to be moved to the centerline, with twin rudders to each side, and steering changed from tiller to a small powerboat-type steering wheel. The cabin height was increased for greater room inside and the boat is said to sail less well than the earlier 26.
  • The MacGregor 26M (motorsailor), 2005 to present, continued the 26X's trend, now allowing up to a 60 HP outboard. The swing centerboard was replaced with a daggerboard to free up more space below and the second tier of windows was added with standing headroom. The boat is advertised to motor at 24 MPH. In addition to the water ballast, there are 300 lbs of permanent ballast, likely needed for stability with so much windage and the high weight of the engine. At 2550 lbs dry (excluding engine), it now needs stronger vehicle and tow package.

Risks and Precautions

Many traditional sailors joke about MacGregors because of the light fiberglass construction (the hull can "oilcan" flex in places if you push hard against it) and its powerboat characteristics since 1996. Many say it is not a "real sailboat." Most misunderstood, however, is the water ballast that has been a hallmark of all twenty-six models.

The water ballast tank is horizontal and only a foot or so beneath the surface, unlike a vertical ballasted keel or centerboard that extends much deeper. Some have even questioned how water, weighing the same as the water displaced by the boat, can be called ballast at all. The ballast tank has been well engineered, however, and does provide righting moment the same as a keel when the boat heels over, because the weight of water far out from the centerline on the "uphill" side (in the air once heeled over) does pull the boat back down the same as a weighted keel.

This does mean that the boat is more tender, or tippy, initially. A story has been told about a sailor on one edge of the deck who grabbed the mast when the boat heeled, and his own weight pulling on the mast that far above the waterline caused the boat to capsize all the way over. Whether true or not, the story illustrates a common perception of how tender the MacGregor is.

It is true that an M26 with 10 people aboard capsized with two fatalities -- most likely due to uneven distribution of the human weight on the boat.

Safely Sail the Water-Ballast

In normal conditions, however, careful sailors can safely sail the water-ballast M26 by following standard precautions:

  • Reef sails when the wind is blowing.
  • Maintain good balance with crew weight balanced against heeling.
  • Prevent accidental gybes.
  • Keep the ballast tank full and well-sealed.
  • Maintain steerage control at all times.
  • Heave to or take other storm action in high wind or waves.
  • Don't drink and sail.

The larger safety issue is that for many owners, the M26 is a "starter boat" and they may not have the experience or knowledge to avoid possible problems in time. The bottom line is that anyone who goes sailing needs to be fully aware of the limitations of their boat and practice all safety guidelines.

Experience With the MacGregor 26S

Having owned and sailed a 26S extensively for three years, it indeed sails fairly well and lives up to its reputation of being a roomy and easily trailered pocket cruiser. This sailboat can meet most budgetary needs and has room enough for a family of three to cruise for up to a week at a time.

It is a light boat, but with sailing experience and caution, trouble in winds to thirty knots can be easily avoided. The fiberglass is thin but you can avoid running into rocks. Thousands of MacGregor owners have had experiences where they thoroughly enjoyed sailing.

Keep in mind that it's a light boat and always take the precautions listed above. For powerboat owners of the 26X and 26M, the boat should be as safe as any powerboat but do not hit a rock or another boat at 24 MPH.

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MacGregor Venture 23 Bowsprit Specs

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  6. 1976 Macgregor Venture Newport 23

    macgregor venture 23 sailboat review

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  1. Sailing Performance of the Venture Newport 23

    Dec 25, 2008. 90. Catalina 34 St. Simons Island. Jul 16, 2011. #2. I purchased a Venture Newport 23 when the first model was made back in 73. I was looking for a trailerable boat to use on a fresh water lake. The boat was drop dead gorgeous at the time with red hull, & colored jibs. I remember that it had the pop-top cabin roof, which helped a lot.

  2. Venture OF Newport 23

    The higher a boat's D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL: Waterline length in feet

  3. Venture of Newport 23

    256.03 sq ft (23.786 m 2) Racing. PHRF. 255. [ edit on Wikidata] The Venture of Newport 23, also called the Venture 23 and the MacGregor 23, is an American trailerable character sailboat that was designed by Roger MacGregor as a cruiser and first built in 1973. The design is intended as a miniature replica of a 19th-century pilot cutter.

  4. Macgregor Venture 23

    Oct 25, 2004. #1. I am currently in the market for a trailerable sailboat and have researched a few different models, (O'day 22, Rhodes 22, Catalina 22, Seaward 22, Percision 21, WWP P-19, Hunter 23), and have recently come across the Macgregor Venture 23.u000bI have a few question that I hope someone could help answer; u000bu000b1.

  5. 1973 23ft venture MacGregor

    MacGregor = Hobby Starter kit. OK, lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. In the 23'-27' range most of the sailboats are fairly similar in construction and rigging (with a few exceptions of course), they are basically entry level pocket cruisers, and are built to be affordable to the first time buyer.

  6. Assessment of Venture 23

    A forum for discussing topics relating to older MacGregor/Venture sailboats. Forum rules. 22 posts 1; 2; Next; apc1589 Posts: 8 Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:18 pm Sailboat: Venture 23 ... I'm looking for advice concerning key things to test/inspect on a Venture 23 (or general swing-keel Macgregor). The following is a list of some of the items I'm ...

  7. VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23 Detailed Review

    If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23. Built by Macgregor Yacht Corp and designed by Roger MacGregor, the boat was first built in 1973. It has a hull type of Swing Keel and LOA is 6.88. Its sail area/displacement ratio ...

  8. VENTURE OF NEWPORT 23

    It takes into consideration "reported" sail area, displacement and length at waterline. The higher the number the faster speed prediction for the boat. A cat with a number 0.6 is likely to sail 6kts in 10kts wind, a cat with a number of 0.7 is likely to sail at 7kts in 10kts wind. KSP = (Lwl*SA÷D)^0.5*0.5

  9. New to me 1980 venture of Newport 23

    Aug 22, 2018. 2. Macgregor Venture of Newport 23 Florida Coasts. Aug 22, 2018. #13. I'm glad I found this forum. I just purchased a Mac 23 pretty cheap, as I was looking for a trailer-able boat. It seems to have all of the rigging and sails, but no lines. Can anyone help with what halyards, sheets, etc.

  10. Review of Venture Newport 23

    The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Venture Newport 23 is about 88 kg/cm, alternatively 496 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 88 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 496 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

  11. Venture of newport 23

    The Venture of newport 23 is a 22.58ft cutter designed by Roger MacGregor and built in fiberglass by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1973 and 1984. The Venture of newport 23 is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized.

  12. Venture Newport 23'

    488 posts · Joined 2008. #4 · Aug 20, 2010. I used to take great pleasure in beating a buddies SJ23 with my heavily modified Venture 24 (not the same as the Newport/Venture) but I will tell you that the SJ is a much better boat. If I could use an analogy, if the San Juan was a BMW M3, the MacGreggor would be a VW Beetle.

  13. 1981 MacGregor Venture of Newport 23' Sailboat Restoration

    I found a 1981 MacGregor Venture of Newport 23' locally, and loved the lines on it, but hated the color, and wanted to redo the trim as well. I didn't pay a whole lot for it, and it came with 2 brand new sails, and a fairly new mainsail too. So far, I've repainted the hull with Interlux Brightside Flag Blue paint, and the white decking with ...

  14. Venture Newport 23

    The Venture Newport 23 is a swing-keel cutter made by MacGregor from 1973 to 1984. With its raked mast, signature taffrail, bowsprit and classic lines, this versatile and practical boat evokes the nostalgia of sailing vessels from a century ago. Yet with a sturdy fiberglass hull and fully retractible iron swing keel this vessel is easy to ...

  15. Scary! Small Boat Big Waves in Venture/MacGregor 23

    Last beer can race of the season on a Venture / MacGregor 23, just out of Marina Del Ray CA. It's an older boat and sails well, but in the big waves you're ...

  16. Venture of Newport 23

    Venture of Newport 23. ... Skipper Dei Gratia, Macgregor Newport Venture 23, cutter rigged. New Orleans, La . Save Share. Reply Quote Like. Sort by Oldest first ... General Discussion - Sailing Related Gear & Maintenance Boat Review Forum Cruising & Liveaboard Forum Seamanship & Navigation.

  17. Venture of Newport 23 (Macgregor) Mainsail

    Venture of Newport 23 (Macgregor) - Standard Batten Mainsail. US$750.00. Cross cut - Offshore Quality. High Quality 6 oz. Dacron with heavily reinforced corners. 2 Rows of Reef Points. Tell Tales, Leech Line and Sail Bag Included. 1 Year Warranty. Battens not included. SAIL AREA.

  18. MacGregor Yacht Corporation

    Venture of Newport 23. The MacGregor Yacht Corporation was a manufacturer of sailing yachts, located in Costa Mesa, California. ... The final model produced was the MacGregor 26M, a 26-foot (7.9 m) trailerable sailboat, which is now under production as the Tattoo 26. The 26M had the ability to mount up to a 60 horsepower ...

  19. Fell in love with the MacGregor 26M, but...

    Most boats have keels with aspect ratios of 2 to 1 (meaning that the keel or centerboard is two times as deep as it is wide). The MacGregor 26 centerboard has a ratio of five to one (it is 16″ wide and 5′ 6″ deep). The high aspect ratio increases lift as the boat sails into the wind and reduces drag.

  20. 1978 MacGregor Venture of Newport 23

    Beam 7.2 feet Displacement 2000 pounds Sail Area Total 256 square feet Swing Keel. Draft up 18 inches. Draft fully down 5.5 feet. Raise and lower to any depth desired with winch at cockpit hatch. 600 pounds, iron. Detailed factory specifications at SailboatData website.

  21. Deadly Accident, Swing Keels, and Mandatory PFDs

    The boat has been identified as a 22-foot Venture and from the pictures, it does look like an older MacGregor Venture 22 model. We recently reviewed a similar boat the Venture 21, and found it to be an affordable entry-level trailer sailer, provided it has been upgraded and well-cared for. The two items that struck me: 1.

  22. Owner's Review of the MacGregor 26 Sailboat Models

    The MacGregor 26D (daggerboard), built from about 1986 to 1990, introduced water ballast to replace the weighted keel. When the water was drained for trailering, the boat weighed only 1650 lbs, making it even more attractive for towing with a regular automobile. The daggerboard, like a keel, helps prevent the boat from being blown sideways but ...

  23. MacGregor Venture 23 Bowsprit Specs

    I just purchased a Mac/Venture 23 with no bowsprit. Anyone have the specs? Length & width? I am restoring this one. Menu Menu. ... MacGregor Venture 23 Bowsprit Specs. Thread starter Chip Giles; Start date Mar 9, 2003; Forums. ... Sell Your Boat Used Gear for Sale. Parts. General Marine Parts Hunter Beneteau Catalina MacGregor Oday.