mariner 28 sailboat review

MARINER 28 (CANNING) Detailed Review

If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of MARINER 28 (CANNING). Built by Mariner Yacht Co. (USA) and designed by Peter Canning, the boat was first built in 1978. It has a hull type of Fin w/spade rudder and LOA is 8.59. Its sail area/displacement ratio 15.15. Its auxiliary power tank, manufactured by undefined, runs on undefined.

MARINER 28 (CANNING) has retained its value as a result of superior building, a solid reputation, and a devoted owner base. Read on to find out more about MARINER 28 (CANNING) and decide if it is a fit for your boating needs.

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Boat specifications, sail boat calculation, rig and sail specs, contributions, who designed the mariner 28 (canning).

MARINER 28 (CANNING) was designed by Peter Canning.

Who builds MARINER 28 (CANNING)?

MARINER 28 (CANNING) is built by Mariner Yacht Co. (USA).

When was MARINER 28 (CANNING) first built?

MARINER 28 (CANNING) was first built in 1978.

How long is MARINER 28 (CANNING)?

MARINER 28 (CANNING) is 6.93 m in length.

What is mast height on MARINER 28 (CANNING)?

MARINER 28 (CANNING) has a mast height of 9.14 m.

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Hello I'm looking at a Mariner 28 (made in NH) this weekend. I was wondering if anyone out there has any knowledge of these boats? Do they sail well? Any info would be great. Thanks mdd02720  

I found this thread. Hope it helps http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mariner%2028&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDkQrAIoATAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sailnet.com%2Fforums%2Fmariner%2F68453-new-mariner-28-owner.html&ei=eZFsT8_QIMnEtwfss6CfBg&usg=AFQjCNFxOCdCtFx_dhXat5wj3npfqovazg&sig2=cj0-ejNuc2MiMWnYb-hq4Q  

I have had a 1979 Mariner 28 for the last 7 years. Found it abandoned in a yard in Maine. I have completely refurbished the boat. Hull is in great shape, chain plates are solid. Repaired a soft spot on deck. Solid boat and sails well. I have the fin keel version. I would suggest a large jib. 135-150, I have a 135 so I can see, I found the 150 to be annoying because it reduced visibility. Beautiful teak cabin. The original Yanmar still runs great.  

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Mariner 28 canning

The mariner 28 canning is a 28.17ft masthead sloop designed by peter canning and built in fiberglass by mariner yacht co. (usa) between 1978 and 1982..

The Mariner 28 canning is a moderate weight sailboat which is slightly under powered. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a good righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a coastal cruiser.

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Mariner 28 (mid 80s)

Discussion in ' Boat Design ' started by Guest , Jun 3, 2002 .

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I'm thinking about buying one of these flybridge cruisers and was wondering if anybody knows anything about them, and perhaps make comment about their sea going characteristics and general handling. I'm told that the smaller 26' rolls and pitches a bit too much but I have no info on the 28'. A photo of a Mariner 28 can be found here ( http://boatpoint.ninemsn.com.au/Content/WebPhotos/M/M195000/M196224.jpg ) Cheers, Nick  

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The Mariner 760 / 780 don't roll so much because of a problem with the hull. The simple fact is that a 26 ft of this style (or probably the 28 that you're looking at) is simply too small to have a flying bridge. A significant portion of the centres of gravity (both longitudinal and vertical) are as a result of movable on board weights (ie people) 2 or 3 people on the flying bridge and the VCG is raised to the point wher the boat becimes unstable. I don't think the 28 was available without the flying bridge, but the 26 is quite common in the sedan. So long as you keep people from going upstairs - or at least limit the numbers and conditions under which they're up there, both boats should be ok. Later on Mariner bought the moulds to a 28 footer from Savage. This was known as the 2800 and is more reminiscent of a Riviera etc. It has the reputation of having an excellent hull - as have all the Savage boats. It is of course rather more expensive (you'll pay around 80K for the 2800, 55K for the 28 and 35K for the 26) but if you can afford it, it's definitely worth the extra money  

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Carver 280 Mariner/Voyager - The Good, the Bad?

• Thread starter JoLin
• Start date Jul 30, 2010
• Jul 30, 2010

Hi, all- My wife and I have fallen in love with the look of these boats, and I'm seriously considering one if and when we decide to upgrade. It just looks 'right' to us somehow. Clean, classy lines. I know they were only made during the mid-late 80's, so I might never even find one, or one in good condition at a price I can afford, but I'd like to know what owners think anyway. One thing I noted at the Carver website is that they don't have much deadrise. How does it handle rough (choppy) water? Is it a 'pounder'? Are they as well made as they look? Are there problem areas common to them? Opinions, experiences and suggestions all gratefully received. Thanks!  

They made the 2897/2827 Mariner/Voyager from 1983 thru 1990 so you have plenty of years to choose from. They also sold a great many of them. We sold 10 to 15 per year. The ride is admittedly "choppy" but takes the water well and is quite stable. As far as well made....yes! Although as with any boat you are looking to buy, have it surveyed before doing the deal.  

How far are you willing to travel to buy one? What's you budget?  

quote: Originally posted by cwms How far are you willing to travel to buy one? What's you budget? Click to expand...

Considered a couple of 88 and an 89 voyagers. Like the kitchen/bath at the rear of the cabin. Watch the stringers/engine mounts under the rear sliding door and under the head. Didn't buy either because of this issue.  

I second the stringer issue. I picked up an '86 (mariner) with VERY low hours, pristine (never used) cosmetic condition, and excellent mechanicals for $9500. I did some work/upgrades to it and sold it for a lot more. It had stringer issues and I knew that when I bought it and was very honest about that when I sold it. If I had loved the boat, I would have spent the cash to fix it, but that was a big project and I was not in love with the boat (I really liked it though). As a first boat, I can not complain at all. Here's my review: The Good: *nice size, not too large, not too small *decent engine access without a generator *good layout *phenomenal storage *very well built *very adaptable interior to various needs *lots of glass = bright interior *excellent sight lines from the bridge The Bad: *forward berth tight and has a narrow entrance with a step down *very tender since it is a very small fly bridge and it relatively lightweight *difficult to single hand the boat in much more than a light breeze *handles OK, but does not like a following sea or much chop *5.7l engines would have been nice *common stringer issues, check below the slider and ALL of the weap holes *LOTS of glass = lots of heat *no stall shower, that was the reason to sell for me. I know it's odd, but I love having a stall shower now. Overall, it is an excellent boat if the seas are calm. Planes quickly, decent economy, and good classic looks that are not dated easily. I would highly recommend if you are not in need of a large head. All boats are a compromise so you may not be concerned with some of these issues. My current boat, a 3257 Montego was what I moved into and I love it aside for not having much refrigeration and no walk through transom. Hope that helped! Jim  

quote: Originally posted by JoLin quote: Originally posted by cwms How far are you willing to travel to buy one? What's you budget? Click to expand...

cwms - no offense intended. I'm not in the market for a new boat yet. I guess I should have made that clear. I'm interested in the boats as a possible 'down the road' purchase and want to learn more about them. ChefJunk - great insights. Thanks. The boat's handling characteristics is something I wondered about, for the very reasons you stated, along with the shallow deadrise of the hull. Good to know.  

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• Aug 2, 2010

quote: Originally posted by imspacemancraig I have an 86 Mariner 32' and love it. Not sure what ChefJunk means by a step down in the front berth, no step for mine. Also not sure what you mean by stringer issues? My guess is how the previous owners took care of things... if you could elaborate I may need to go check mine. What should I be looking for? It drives like a dream even in wind in my opinion though. With the keel on it it actually helps in wind situations, strong currents are another story. But with some practice and the Crusader engines, I don't seem to have an issue. Interesting on people's opinions of choppy. Guess it really depends on the water conditions and how you drive it, but when I adjust to the conditions she rides quite well. Not knocking others opinions though. I agree on the heat though. During the summer, when the sun makes it around to the back sliding door, the cabin heats up. Still trying ideas of putting the door canvas up during the hot day or strategic fan placement, but this is a work in progress. Love the room inside and easy for entertaining others. I have 12 people on board out for cruise and she handles quite well. Different story for an overnight though, 6 people tops. Click to expand...

• Aug 3, 2010

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One more thing, I was responding to the post and was thinking 2897/2827 Mariner/Voyager (1983-1990). Your post title states 280 Mariner/Voyager and I am assuming you mean the same thing. However, there was a (smaller) 280 sedan produced from 1991-1998. Additionally, the replacement to the 2897/2827 was the 28/300 Sedan produced from 1991-1993 and they offered some mariner/voyager layouts, especially early on. Those have similar dimensions and are very nice boats if you have to have a bridge boat below 35'. The hull was improved and it has a 16 degree deadrise. It still has a small cockpit, but such is the compromise in affordable boats! Hope that helps!  

• Aug 4, 2010

Sorry all, I missed the part about the 28 reviews... my fault. I would like to see what the inside it like on the 28 compared to the 32. Must be some major difference to the layout aside from space.  

quote: Originally posted by imspacemancraig Sorry all, I missed the part about the 28 reviews... my fault. I would like to see what the inside it like on the 28 compared to the 32. Must be some major difference to the layout aside from space. Click to expand...

• Sep 27, 2010

The model 28 command bridge is a much more stable boat than the voyager or mariner series......Model 28 has a 11 1/2 ft. beam, compared to a little over 10 ft for the older mariners / voyagers...Model 28 has a 15 degree dead rise also, which helps  

• Sep 29, 2010

quote: Originally posted by brngguy99 The model 28 command bridge is a much more stable boat than the voyager or mariner series......Model 28 has a 11 1/2 ft. beam, compared to a little over 10 ft for the older mariners / voyagers...Model 28 has a 15 degree dead rise also, which helps Click to expand...

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What is the best 28 ft for the money

• Thread starter Gordon Shadburne
• Start date Nov 11, 2004
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I am looking for the best- family (not racing) sailboat 28 ft (or so) for 10,000-13,000Now live in Portland,Or. will be moving to Pudget Sound- WA.area. Want it safe!,big cabin (wife has some kneee problems) good mataince record. Am missionary to Native Americans ( www.warriorsforchristonline.org ) so limited in funds-Need your input- thanksGordon/WFCps now only have a 14 ft C-lark/ sail it sence 1970-  

mike C16582

i'm biased, but.......... As I said, I'm biased, but if you can find an O"day 28 I think you'll be happy. However, $10,000-$13,000 is cutting it close. AS a matter of fact, there's an O"Day 28 for sale right now in Portland Or. for $12,900 (I'm sure the price is negotiable)here's the link for it..........http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1309615&slim=quick&  

Newport 28 Hello,Mike own's and likes O'day, I own and like Newport. Newport's were made in California, so lots should be available on the west cost.Compared to O'day, the Newport has a double berth in the cabin (the port sette slides out). Also, all Newport come with the traveler mounted on top of the companionway. Most Newports come with hot water, fresh water cooled diesel, and some other things as well.As far as I can tell, both the Newport and the O'day are good boats. Good luck,Barry  

John Dawson

Cal 29 or 27 probably fall into this price range, and less if needing work. Large cabins, good performance, good reputation.  

Hunter 27 for two The Hunter 27 built from 75-84 to a design by John Cherubini is just the right size for a couple. It's a seaworthy design, with 6 feet of headroom in the cabin. The bench seats in the cabin make very comfortable bunks (easily reached by stiff knees.) The ride is comfortable in a seaway, and the cockpit is comfortable, with good back support. Ours was easily rigged for single handing, so the Admiral does not need to go on deck.And the price is right - $9,000 to $12,000 will get you going. (Ours '77 cost $9,000 and was ready to sail.) At your size and price parameters, you will end up with a "good old boat" and the associated maintenance work. Do get a survey to be sure you are not buying a project, and enjoy cruising!DavidLady Lillie  

Pearson 26-28 I learned how to sail at the boston harbor sailing club where they have a fleet of pearson 26 and 28's. The members sail these boats in all kinds of new england weather through a busy harbor and scatterred islands. They are built tough sail between 5 and 6 knots, have thick fiberglass hulls and seldom break down.  

Go for a Catalina 27 *! I realize the Catalina 27 isn't a 28 footer, but I think it would be a good match for your needs. They are plentiful, within your price range, have a large cockpit, seaworthy, and have nice sailing characteristics.If you could spend the extra $5K, the O'Day 28 is a better boat - faster (but can pound), and very well finished.Having owned both boats, if price is the biggest constraint, go with the C27.-Mark  

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Comfortable boat for a couple Is there anything compelling about 28'?I recently sold a 1978 Catalina 30 after enjoying it for 15 years. Those additional two feet move the comfort level light years above the Catalina 27 owned by one of my friends. The cabin fever that one may experience on a smaller boat vanishes on the C30. A larger head, vee berth, saloon, dinette, and cockpit make a world of difference where a woman's comfort is concerned.With more than seven thousand having been built, there are always hundreds of C30s on the market. With a little horse trading and jawboning, you might be able to find one in your price range.It's worth a try.If anything, I believe that a C30 is easier to sail than a C27.  

Thanks for your response Thanks for your comments. Condsidering they aren't making them anymore, do you think there are problems getting parts for the Newports?I have read that the O'day stiffens in higher winds and is more forgiving when you get into troubling times. How would compare the Newport as far as safety and structural quailty and durability?  

Newport Info Hello,A great site for Newport Info is here:http://webhost.sailnet.com/newport/index.htmlRegarding parts availability, one thing I have learned is that most parts on a sailboat don't come from the original manufacturer. For example, the engine is from Universal diesel, the steering is Edson, the winches are Lewmar, the headsail roller furler is Profurl, the bilge pump is rule, the .....What did come from from the manufacturer you can now get from the aftermarket. O'day, Pearson, CnC (for a while anyway) all went out of busines. Hunter and Catalina are still in business, but I don't think you can still buy a rudder or something like that for a Catalina 27.Good luck,Barry  

Pearson 28 HI Gordon,Don't rule out the Pearson 28. The models made before 1982 can be found quite reasonably. This boat was built very well, is strong, safe, roomy and very easy and fun to sail. We owned one for 4 years and loved it. You can get one in the price range you mention. Go to yachtworld and check them out.Joanie  

Hunter 28.5 We have an '88 model. VERY well built, no blister problems. Taken her on 3-week trips on Lake Michigan covering some 600 miles total. Have been in all kinds of weather with her and she's always brought us home safely. I often single-hand her as well.  

Hunter 28.5, Pt II I, too, own a Hunter 28.5 (1986 model). While I think Hunter packed a lot of value into this model boat, I don't think you could find one in very good condition for your price range. I do think you could find one for just a bit more (say around $15k), but you'd probably have to put some work into it and perhaps buy some new sails. I personally believe that the 28.5 is a great boat for single-handling, coastal or river/lake cruising with a small family in a semi-protected environment, or similar sailing. But in the price range you mention, most of the listed 28 or so footers are going to be in the 1978-1982 or so age group. Any boat that is 25 or so years old needs to be VERY carefully inspected, by you and a professional surveyor as it could be subject to a number of conditions that could be expensive or prohibitive to repair. In the interim, you may want to take a look at Don Casey's book "Inspecting The Aging Sailboat." It will give you a better sense of how to evaluate some of the candidate boats you may look at. It's a buyer beware world out there....  

Gordon, The best 28 is a Catalina 28 and because of that they are very expensive. The next best and most boat for the money is a Hunter 28... not a Hunter 28.5. The Pearson 28 is the next best followed by the Hunter 28.5.The main reason for the rating is the walk through swim platform offer by both the Catalina 28 and the Hunter 28! Great for the family getting on and off the boat and into the water. The construction of the Catalina is better than the Hunter. The Pearson construction is also better than Hunter. I own a Hunter 28 and love the boat! I took a long time reviewing which boat to buy. Everyone will tell you they love thier boat. I do too but a Catalina is better!  

This thread could go on for ever We all bought our current boat for one reason or another price,walk through transomes,loyalty to the brand and so on and we all could come up with reason's as to why. So asking a question like the best 28 footer for the money and you will get a different answer from each of us. So it is not really a fair question to ask because your best 28 footer for the money may not be mine. Taken in what your needs are all the boats mentioned would work. They are all great boats and have ther good and bad. But it all comes down to YOU and the $$$. Keep in mind that in this price range you will be buying a 30 year + boat. That will need upgrades and might have a gas engine or an out board. Look for the right deal and keep in mind the survey could eat up 5% of your boat money. So it is tough to say which boat is the best for you and your needs. Also keep in mind that your wife will need to climb all over the boat and up and down into the cabin bad knees and all. So a boat with wide side deck's might be a consideration over a boat with narrow side decks. Plus the climbing of the steps of 5 or 6 steps to get down below. It will really comne down to looking at allot of boat's and seeing which boat fit's the needs. Your price range will limit you and might force you into buying a older boat than maybe you had thought and also throw in the location. Boats on the West Coast seem to bring more for the same boat on the East Coast. Cliff  

Finding and buying your boat Having contributed my 2 cents on our own model, here is my recommendation on how to buy a boat:In your price and size range, you are loooking for a "good old boat." Many of us own these great models from the 70's and early 80's. In general, they have great cruising designs, overbuilt hulls (because this was before anyone really understood fiberglass), and may involve some maintenance. (Although we sailed Lady Lillie through her first summer, 500 miles, and 22 nights on board as we bought her.)Look at lots of boats in your price range. This will be the hardest part for your wife's knees, but after a while you will settle on a few designs you like, and you can look without her until you find the one you want. Lay down in all the berths you might use. Sit in the cockpit. Stand in the galley, and go through the motions of preparing food and washing dishes. Sit on the head. Go forward from sitting in the cockpit along the decks to the bow. Don't worry about the model, you will figure out which ones you like. Consider using a local agent who is supportive of your wishes (not trying to seelyou up to a higher price,) and can arrange to get you on a lot of boats.Buy one of the good books on this site that describe how to buy a cruising sailboat. Read the reviews on this website. 28 footers were not commonly built in the '74-'85 range you need for your price, so look at the 27 and 30 footers. The boats for sale on this and other sites can get you started, and help you understand pricing.Find _your_ surveyer. Ask other sailers who is the most competent and trustworthy in your area. This is imporatnt because a good survey allows you to understand 80% to 90% of the maintenance you will be doing in the first years of boat ownership. You contract must include the survey, and your right to walk away or negotiate a price reduction based on the survey results.Take your time. Many boats will come on the market in the next six months, and you can find the one with just the characteristics you want and like.Our search took about 6 weeks during which we climbed into about 10 boats on the hard (and in the ice and snow.) We came down to a choice between a Catalina 30 at $18,000, and a Hunter 27 at $9,000. We checked with the marina near our house, and they said that the 5 1/2 foot draft of the Catalina was too deep for the marina. We bought the '77 Hunter 27, and have loved her.The cabin has headroom to 6 feet. The diesel will drive us all day through calm seas, but is a little small if we are bucking wind and waves (something we try always to plan, or wait around.) There is plenty of room and comfort for the Admiral and me. We sleep in the v-berth, where 5' 11" and 5' 8" means that we play footsie occasionally, but are both very comfortable. The bench berths in the main cabin easily and confortably accommodate my two brothers who go a large 6' 2". The accommodations are ideal for me and my wife. We have spent two weeks on her, and could easily go a month. Although tight and familiar, my Dad, brothers and I have cruised a week on her, and we are quite comfortable. I believe that we would have been just as happy on the Catalina 30, but shoal draft is a real value for some of the ports, and anchorages of Lake Erie when the water is low. I really don't believe there is any clear choice of one model. Any of those mentioned so far (and a number of others) could be your boat.Your boat is out there, near you. Educate yourself, and invest in climbing aboard enough to find the fit for you. If the workmanship is good enough to last 20 to 30 years, and pass your survey, you don't have to worry about your time on her. Do it, you will love the joys of cruising - anyway, we do.DavidLady Lillie  

Plan for incidental costs If your budget is tight, look out for the costs that you may have in getting your boat to its new home and making it yours. In addition to the survey and cost of a sea trial (we paid for a marina worker to sail the boat at the sea trial), we paid to have the mast taken down, truck to our lake, put the mast up. Altogether, it was about $1,800 with survey and sea trial included.We bought a 27' Starwind (1984) and then put another $1,400 into re-upholstering everything, including new foam for all cushions. Then I needed to replace a halyard and a main sheet, buy new dock lines and hardware for the slip, another $400 at West Marine for stuff, new sails maybe next year ... you get the picture.We looked at about 8 boats over a couple weeks and we were anxious to find one before the summer ran away from us this year. We noticed a big difference in the comfort factor between the Cal 2-27 and our boat compared to the others which were all 26' or less. So you are certainly looking for the right size.You can put a lot of emphasis on all the practical elements of a boat, but for me, it mainly comes down to how does she make you feel to look at her for the first time (and every other time thereafter). Everytime I look at her, I'm happy with what we bought. I don't think you can be happy with a boat if you don't feel that emotion. Then, you just better be prepared emotionally to walk away if the survey reveals problems that you're not prepared financially to overcome.My wife and I had that feeling for 2 boats ... first for the Cal, which slipped away because we didn't make an offer quick enough. We looked longingly at ads for a few Catalinas that were just out of reach for what we wanted to spend on our first boat.Luckily, I think we are very happy with the Starwind because it has many features and layout differences that make it a better boat for us.Take a good look around, use as much time as you need ... when you find her, you'll know it!  

Seafarer I have 2 Seafarer 30 footers. They were designed by McCurdy and Rhodes in 1978. Its a VERY safe, heavy duty and large for its length boat. There is a very good and active forum for these (one reason I bought one).I want to sell one (I bought the 2nd one for the trailer it was on and the 9 sails that came with it as well as having a back up in case I needed anything).The boat was one of the few to survive Ivan intact, and with no damage to it (except rubrail scuffing). The owners group had a mould made for the rubrail, so a new one is available inexpensively.It has a 23 hp Volvo 2 cylinder diesel that has 360+ or- hours, and looks almost new(the engine and tranny).The baot needs a good cleanup (from being stored and unused) recover upholstery, varnish brightwork, etc and the installation of the engine (i would do for additional cash).I want $4500.00 for it, as is.Look at yachtworld for Seafarer Swiftsure 30. Also compare hullspeed, quality of construction, and owners comments. This is a GREAT deal and very safe if you don't mind cleaning a little and upholstering it to your wifes tastes.let me know if interested.Tommy[email protected]  

What about the Columbia 8.3? Any reason the Columbia 8.3 wasn't mentioned? This appears to be a well built cruiser/club racer that should be in the price range.  

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1979 Mariner 28

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Rare and very well kept Mariner 28 sailboat from 1979. It was designed by Peter Canning as a racer cruiser. It was sailed on lakes, but it is a very capable blue-water sailboat as well. New bottom paint, new cushions, it also has a dodger (not on the photos), 3 sails, bunch of spare parts and a very strong diesel engine.

I can deliver for free within 25 miles from Golden, or further for a fee.

It sleeps 5. Draft 4.4’ Displacement 7450lbs Beam 9.5’

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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Review of the O'Day Mariner 19 Sailboat

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For over 40 years, the 19-foot Mariner sailboat has been a popular daysailer. Based on the hull of the fast, stable Rhodes 19, the Mariner added a small cabin and other features. Built by O'Day from 1963 through 1979, and currently, by Stuart Marine, the Mariner was marketed as a family daysailer.

As one of the first affordable, trailerable fiberglass sailboats, the Mariner has been popular on lakes and protected bays every since. With its roomy cockpit, wide-beamed stability, and easy sailing characteristics, the Mariner deserves its reputation and is still among the best general-purpose sailboats of its size.

• Excellent boat for learning to sail and for family daysailing
• Stable and handles well if wind or waves kick up
• Very large cockpit provides comfortable sailing for 4 to 6 crew
• Solid and well constructed; older boats have held up well
• Self-righting and positive flotation
• Cabin is useful for daysailing but cramped for sleeping aboard for long
• Older boats susceptible to leaks in centerboard locker (if abused by previous owners)
• Early models lacked self-bailing cockpits

Specifications

• Length overall: 19 feet 2 inches
• Beam: 7 feet
• Draft: keelboat: 3 feet 3 inches - centerboard up: 10 inches - centerboard down: 4 feet 11 inches
• Empty weight: keelboat: 1435 lbs. - centerboard: 1305 lbs.
• Sail area (main and fractional jib): 185 sqft
• Mast height (deck-stepped): 27 feet 10 inches
• Rudder: keelboat: fixed - centerboard: kick-up
• Recommended outboard engine: 2-6 HP
• MSRP $24,000 depending on options - widely available used (NADA Marine Guide average retail price for 1977 models: $2,110)
• Parts readily available for older boats, plus information from owners and class associations

Review of the Mariner 19 Sailboat

In the 1950s the Rhodes 19 was a popular wooden racing and daysailing sailboat. In 1963 Olympic gold-medal sail racer George O'Day bought the hull design, redesigned the topsides with a small cabin, and began producing one of the first affordable fiberglass family sailboats, the Mariner 19. While still producing a keel version, O'Day offered a centerboard option that improved trailer launching and allowed the Mariner to sail up to a beach.

The Mariner rapidly became a popular club one-design racer but also a good family boat seen widely on lakes and bays. By 1979 O'Day had produced almost 3800 Mariners - a huge number for any one model - and after O'Day discontinued the Mariner to focus on larger cruising sailboats, Spindrift and then Stuart Marine continued building the Mariner. The Mariner is still being built - probably the longest continuous production run of any sailboat model ever.

In the late 1960s and 1970s, design changes increased the Mariner's popularity for family sailing. The 2+2 model added two more berths in the cabin, for a total of four, although the cabin really is too cramped to call this boat a cruiser. (Sleeping aboard is more like backpack camping.) The cockpit length was increased to the transom, making a much larger space than in most boats of this size.

The current model includes nonskid on deck and the cockpit seats, all control lines led to the cockpit, positive flotation, and a kick-up rudder on the centerboard model that allows the boat into very shoal waters. With its wide beam and fractional jib that reduces heeling, the Mariner is stable and safe to sail in most conditions.

Virtually all Mariner owners say they'd buy one again - they have no regrets. The features most commonly cited are its stability ("virtually untippable"), its oversized cockpit (where you spend most of your time anyway), and how easily it can be launched (even on a shallow boat ramp).

Perhaps most important, the Mariner is very forgiving of the sailor's mistakes - and thus is an excellent beginning boat. The few complaints of Mariner owners focus on the cramped interior, where the cabin roof is too low for taller people to sit on the settees without bumping your head.

Good Mariners can readily be found on the used market. There are more likely to be problems with an old trailer (rust, wear and tear) than the fiberglass boat itself unless it was abused by a previous owner. For a new owner, The Mariner Class Association offers many benefits, including boat information, sailing tips, sources for parts, and a newsletter.

If you're interested in a small sailboat with a bigger cabin for pocket cruising, check out the West Wight Potter 19 - an outstanding small sailboat. If you’re thinking about a trailerable sailboat like the Potter 19, remember that one of the great advantages is the ability to take it easily to other sailing destinations, such as heading to the Florida Keys in the winter.

Here’s an inexpensive, effective way to control your tiller if you have to let go for a moment while sailing. Need a new outboard motor for your small sailboat? Check out the great new propane-powered outboards from Lehr. If you own a trailer for your boat, be sure you maintain it adequately both to keep it working into the future but to stay safe when using it.

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